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Bulls Eye #4 Pg. 26- Ghost Town Ambush Pg 5

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Bulls Eye #4 Pg 26 Bottom 2 panels with lighting to see pencils

Bulls Eye #4 Pg 26 Mid 3 panels with lighting to see pencils

Bulls Eye #4 Pg 26 Top 3 panels with lighting to see pencils

Bulls Eye #4 Pg. 26 photo with less exposure than scan
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Location: Published Art Outside Marvel and DC
Title: Bulls Eye #4 Pg. 26- Ghost Town Ambush Pg 5*
Artist:  Unknown Artists (All)
Media Type: Pen and Ink
Art Type: Interior Page
For Sale Status: NFS
Views: 259
Likes on CAF: 3
Comments: 12
Added to Site: 12/15/2022

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This was a very interesting pick up for me recently and this is the third of four art posts from the story Ghost Town Ambush in Bulls Eye #4 from Mainline Publishing. My descriptions will all be interconnected starting with Pg. 29 then Pg. 25 and then this page, so please follow along starting at Pg 29.

Next, I wanted to research Harry Mendryks statement of the artwork possibly coming outside of S&K studios. Thanks to a little investigatory work I was able to figure out how to contact him. Harry is also frequently cited on the Kirby Museum website, so I figured he would be a great person to talk to regarding this artwork. Amazingly Harry stated that he was unaware that this artwork even existed. He was kind enough to get back to me on quite a few emails. I learned more about his statement of the artwork possibly not coming out of the Simon and Kirby studios and from what I understood it was based off the lettering characteristics, which were not characteristic of his research he had done into Ben Oda lettering. For those of you who are not familiar, Ben Oda was one of the main letterers for S&K studios. Furthermore, in our conversation he mentioned that the lettering was later known to be done by many others. Thus, my understanding is that this still could have come out of S&K studios but didn’t believe it was done by Ben Oda. Furthermore, he had not seen any other works done in this lettering style, but he also stated that he had not done exhaustive research into the letting done in this piece to see if it were done elsewhere. Thus, leading to my earlier statement in the first post discussing the importance of the Two Morrow book to be released in 2023. Additionally, Harry and I got into a topic of discussion related to the type of paper used for this piece. Early S&K work was known to be done on illustration board and it was during the Mainline period that it was done on paper. The pieces I have collected were done on paper, so it seemed to fit the history for the pieces.

I later went on to do my own research, which was based off handwriting at the top of my pieces. There you will notice that the B in Bulls #4 is very stylized with a loop at the bottom of the B. I figured if I could find that B on other pieces it might shed new light about the artwork if all were done by the same artist. It just so happens that I was able to find it on other pieces, but the other pieces I found were done by multiple artists. Thus, I am unsure if a printer would write it vs. someone at S&K studios. Any input regarding this topic would be much appreciated as I have yet to contact anyone from the Kirby Museum regarding the multiple title listings. The other pieces of original art where the stylized B showed up were Bullseye #1 Pg 24-25 (August 1954) "Bullseye, the Man”, which I found Pencils and inks attributed to John Prentice and Bullseye #3 (December 1954) “The Adventures of Sheriff Shorty” which I found Pencils and inks attributed to Leonard Starr.

Other identifying features that I would like to later research when the Two Morrows book is printed is the other handwriting at the top of the page if OA is included, the panel characteristics such as the wood plank paneling, the editorial notes where white out was used to cover up the markings as seen in my additional images of the top 3 panels, the fine line panels throughout the 4 pages that seem quite stylistically different from most other panels, and possibly more research into the continual use of the suns in the art.

My next and final post will discuss the topic of who I think might possibly have done the art and why. However, I am no expert so take everything in the next post with a grain of salt. Please tune in for the final installment of these postings, which will be Bulls Eye #4 Pg. 27.

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Harry M Member Since 2006
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Posted On 12/15/2022

First, thanks for posting these interesting pages of art of CAF. I can make an observation about the writing on the top of the pages. Besides the identification of the issue ("Bulls #4") there is the page number. The page number is where this particular page will appear in the comic. This information would be unknown to the penciler, inker or the letterer so none of them are responsible. Typically for S&K productions, Joe Simon would provide that information, and that appears to be Joe's handwriting of "page 26" to the right. Nor is this Jack Kirby's handwriting (which does show up on some Mainline art). A quick perusal suggest that this particular handwriting appears on most (but not all) Mainline art.

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
Posted On 12/17/2022

Harry M wrote:
"  First, thanks for posting these interesting pages of art of CAF. I can make an observation about the writing on the top of the pages. Besides the identification of the issue ("Bulls #4") there is the page number. The page number is where this particular page will appear in the comic. This information would be unknown to the penciler, inker or the letterer so none of them are responsible. Typically for S&K productions, Joe Simon would provide that information, and that appears to be Joe's handwriting of "page 26" to the right. Nor is this Jack Kirby's handwriting (which does show up on some Mainline art). A quick perusal suggest that this particular handwriting appears on most (but not all) Mainline art.
 "

I just want to verify, for personal knowledge. The writing that has the stylized loop in the B that says Bulls #4 P. 26 is Joe Simon's writing, or is it the other less styalized handwriting all the way to the far right? Thanks for the insight Harry.

Harry M Member Since 2006
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

Ian Saint wrote:
"  I just want to verify, for personal knowledge. The writing that has the stylized loop in the B that says Bulls #4 P. 26 is Joe Simon's writing, or is it the other less styalized handwriting all the way to the far right? Thanks for the insight Harry.
 "

I believe the less styalized is Joe's handwriting. Which is not to say that the styalized writing might not be Joe's as well. The one is a quick notation perhaps important to Joe alone. The other meant to be clearly readable for the publisher. In any case I have seen this stylized notation on other S&K art published by Prize which leads me to believe it was added in the S&K studio before sending the art to the publisher. Your observations have sent me down the rabbit hole examining these notes. They appeared to be added by more than one hand and I would like to try to identify who the writers were.

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
Posted On 12/17/2022

Harry M wrote:
"  I believe the less styalized is Joe's handwriting. Which is not to say that the styalized writing might not be Joe's as well. The one is a quick notation perhaps important to Joe alone. The other meant to be clearly readable for the publisher. In any case I have seen this stylized notation on other S&K art published by Prize which leads me to believe it was added in the S&K studio before sending the art to the publisher. Your observations have sent me down the rabbit hole examining these notes. They appeared to be added by more than one hand and I would like to try to identify who the writers were.
 "

Check out Red Mask 43 P 25 on CAF and possibly Win Mortimer Superman time capsule 1955 although the B's might have changed a bit, the P's look the same.

Harry M Member Since 2006
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Posted On 12/21/2022

Harry M wrote:
"  First, thanks for posting these interesting pages of art of CAF. I can make an observation about the writing on the top of the pages. Besides the identification of the issue ("Bulls #4") there is the page number. The page number is where this particular page will appear in the comic. This information would be unknown to the penciler, inker or the letterer so none of them are responsible. Typically for S&K productions, Joe Simon would provide that information, and that appears to be Joe's handwriting of "page 26" to the right. Nor is this Jack Kirby's handwriting (which does show up on some Mainline art). A quick perusal suggest that this particular handwriting appears on most (but not all) Mainline art.
 "

On an initial quick check of some Mainline OA I though there might be more than two hands writing the comic and page identifation. But having finished a thorough examintion of these marking on over 200 Mainline pages I have come to understand that only one person was involved. Comparison to work done by Joe Simon after the breakup of the S&K collaboration, I conclude he was the one providing these in all cases of these 200+ Mainline art, including yours.

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/27/2022

Harry M wrote:
"  On an initial quick check of some Mainline OA I though there might be more than two hands writing the comic and page identifation. But having finished a thorough examintion of these marking on over 200 Mainline pages I have come to understand that only one person was involved. Comparison to work done by Joe Simon after the breakup of the S&K collaboration, I conclude he was the one providing these in all cases of these 200+ Mainline art, including yours.
 "

Thanks for looking into that for me. Your help with this project has been very much appreciated. I cant wait to get the book to read more mainline work. Maybe find a few more rabbit holes lol. I sincerly hope you have a happy holiday.

Ruben DaCollector Member Since 2008
1    
Posted On 12/15/2022

Grain of salt taken. The mystery continues..... 😆

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

Ruben DaCollector wrote:
"  Grain of salt taken. The mystery continues..... 😆
 "

Oh, it might be a lesser grain of salt now as I did a bit more last minute research lol. However, still enjoying the challenge. Its helping me learn a whole lot about a different era.

Marcus Wai Member Since 2005
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Posted On 12/15/2022

Sometimes in my post at night
I curse the dark, see the page in the light
And sometimes, the light's no revelation 
Blinded by the memory
Afraid of who it might have done these
And the tears and the sweat
Only mock my presentation 
Don't you know me? I'm the artist for
The art you find so easy to ignore
The thought that I had westerns lore
Working on a Mainline
Straight off the Bulls Eye, labeled as freaks
Loose on the Simon and Kirby
Working on a Mainline
Ambush all the time
Take a look at that face
See what Ian’s doing to me

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

Marcus Wai wrote:
"  Sometimes in my post at night
I curse the dark, see the page in the light
And sometimes, the light's no revelation 
Blinded by the memory
Afraid of who it might have done these
And the tears and the sweat
Only mock my presentation 
Don't you know me? I'm the artist for
The art you find so easy to ignore
The thought that I had westerns lore
Working on a Mainline
Straight off the Bulls Eye, labeled as freaks
Loose on the Simon and Kirby
Working on a Mainline
Ambush all the time
Take a look at that face
See what Ian’s doing to me
 "

If only I could find an artist with certainty. However, I feel a gut feeling that there are multiple artists on this piece. Some better than others.

John C Member Since 2014
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

He may not have winged him. Perhaps he rides his horse like he just don't care.

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

John C wrote:
"  He may not have winged him. Perhaps he rides his horse like he just don't care.
 "

He really is a Honeybadger of a horse rider. My daughter tries riding like that sometimes, but her sidewalkers keep her in check.

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