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Star Spangled War Stories #164 (1972), story page 5 by Spiegle with Kubert edits

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Location: World War II - 1957-1979 pages (Silver, Bronze Age)
Title: Star Spangled War Stories #164 (1972), story page 5 by Spiegle with Kubert edits
Artist:  Dan  Spiegle (Penciller) ,  Joe Kubert (Penciller) ,  Dan Spiegle (Inker) ,  Joe Kubert (Inker)
Media Type: Pen and Ink
Art Type: Interior Page
For Sale Status: NFS
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Likes on CAF: 6
Comments: 10
Added to Site: 9/19/2025

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"Remittance Man!" by Bob Haney, August-September 1972. Letterer is unknown.

The War Department sends the Unknown Soldier to replace and avenge a presumably dead, anonymous coastal watcher who was alerting the Allies to Japanese ships passing through "the Slot" (see historical note at the bottom).

It's interesting to see what appear to be Kubert's extensive changes to Spiegel's art. I'm indebted to fellow CAF collector Alan Barnard's excellent analysis of Kubert's redrawing of the story's DPS in his CAF gallery, which was very helpful in examining this page. I'd like to show the page to someone familiar with Kubert and Spiegle's styles for a second opinion verifying the Kubert changes.

Panel 2: Paste-up with redone chest and shoulder, covering up Spiegle's solid black shadow.

Panel 3: Paste-up to have the Japanese officer looking through binoculars.

Panel 5: Paste-up and whiteout covering crudely drawn clouds

Historical note: The Allies called the New Georgia Sound "the Slot" because of its shape formed by parallel lines of islands that Japanese ships sailed through to support their troops on Guadalcanal. Although Guadalcanal was secured by February 1943, the Japanese still had a major base at the other end of the Slot in Rabaul off the coast of Papua New Guinea. By November 1943 air strikes, however, had taken such a toll that Japanese heavy ships didn't go there, according to Wikipedia. The Allies wisely decided to bypass and isolate the island, saving lives.

The Pentagon might seem out of place in a World War II story. Construction, however, had started several months before Pearl Harbor. It was completed by January 1943, a month before the end of the Guadalcanal campaign.

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Kavi H Member Since 2018
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Posted On 9/19/2025

Pretty interesting to read through all those adjustments/changes Kubert deployed on Spiegle's original work! Nicely analyzed.

Marcus Wai Member Since 2005
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Posted On 9/19/2025

With DC, the war stories became more focused on characters that the readership could hang onto even as the genre itself was not as popular.  The first two panels are a nice contrast with the walls of the Pentagon and the wall of tropical trees each requiring their own type of inking expertise.  

Lee Harmon Member Since 2020
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Posted On 9/19/2025

Neat page that is made so much more fun with the detailed description you shared with us Peter. Congratulations on this mystery Kubert find and appreciate you choosing to post it here!

Ruben DaCollector Member Since 2008
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Posted On 9/20/2025

I used to own a few War pages that were drawn by Ron Randall and heavily reworked by Joe Kubert. Joe used to help his school's students get their first gigs at DC Comics and then help improve the work by going over it himself. I can say that those pages appeared to be completely drawn by Kubert. Conversely, I don't really see Kubert's style on this page. But unlike Randall and the other young students he would help out, Dan Spiegle was already a long established pro at this time, so I suppose that if he did make all the changes you state in the description, he did it by following Spiegle's line style rather than using his own, out of respect to Spiegle. A very nice looking page regardless of who did what!

Peter Roe Member Since 2009
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Posted On 9/20/2025

Ruben DaCollector wrote:
"  I used to own a few War pages that were drawn by Ron Randall and heavily reworked by Joe Kubert. Joe used to help his school's students get their first gigs at DC Comics and then help improve the work by going over it himself. I can say that those pages appeared to be completely drawn by Kubert. Conversely, I don't really see Kubert's style on this page. But unlike Randall and the other young students he would help out, Dan Spiegle was already a long established pro at this time, so I suppose that if he did make all the changes you state in the description, he did it by following Spiegle's line style rather than using his own, out of respect to Spiegle. A very nice looking page regardless of who did what!
 "

Thanks, Rubén. I examined both sides of the page in front of a light. Am I misattributing some black brush strokes? Did Spiegle or an assistant do the paste-ups? Is the redrawn face too crude for Kubert? Alan Barnard notes in his CAF writeup that at this time Kubert was heavily editing art in war books. The seller also told me the pages have Kubert changes. My Spiegel war page drawn nine years latter one is free of paste-ups, whiteout, or other visible edits. Unsurprisingly the art is also better, except the hands. Spiegle as well as Glanzman drew crude hands. Kubert also did on figures in the background or distance to convey depth. That said, I should ask someone familiar with Kubert and Spiegle's art to examine the page for a second opinion. 

Peter Roe Member Since 2009
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Posted On 9/20/2025

Ruben DaCollector wrote:
"  I used to own a few War pages that were drawn by Ron Randall and heavily reworked by Joe Kubert. Joe used to help his school's students get their first gigs at DC Comics and then help improve the work by going over it himself. I can say that those pages appeared to be completely drawn by Kubert. Conversely, I don't really see Kubert's style on this page. But unlike Randall and the other young students he would help out, Dan Spiegle was already a long established pro at this time, so I suppose that if he did make all the changes you state in the description, he did it by following Spiegle's line style rather than using his own, out of respect to Spiegle. A very nice looking page regardless of who did what!
 "

Hi Rubén. I also greatly appreciate your comments. I've edited the description to acknowledge ambiguity in the attribution (alliteration!) of the changes to Kubert. 

Ruben DaCollector Member Since 2008
Posted On 9/20/2025

Peter Roe wrote:
"  Thanks, Rubén. I examined both sides of the page in front of a light. Am I misattributing some black brush strokes? Did Spiegle or an assistant do the paste-ups? Is the redrawn face too crude for Kubert? Alan Barnard notes in his CAF writeup that at this time Kubert was heavily editing art in war books. The seller also told me the pages have Kubert changes. My Spiegel war page drawn nine years latter one is free of paste-ups, whiteout, or other visible edits. Unsurprisingly the art is also better, except the hands. Spiegle as well as Glanzman drew crude hands. Kubert also did on figures in the background or distance to convey depth. That said, I should ask someone familiar with Kubert and Spiegle's art to examine the page for a second opinion. 
 "

No problem, Peter. The only thing that I see as Kubert lines on this particular page are the 2 hands on the pasteover of panel three. I would say that any of the suggestions you've posited might be true. There's really no way we will ever know, though.

Peter Roe Member Since 2009
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Posted On 9/21/2025

Ruben DaCollector wrote:
"  No problem, Peter. The only thing that I see as Kubert lines on this particular page are the 2 hands on the pasteover of panel three. I would say that any of the suggestions you've posited might be true. There's really no way we will ever know, though.
 "

I deleted attribution of some black ink brushwork to Kubert after comparing the art with his pencils and inks in #160. Thanks for your comments that got me to reexamine the page! 

Miki Annamanthadoo Member Since 2003
Posted On 9/20/2025

It does present well for a heavily edited page.

Peter Roe Member Since 2009
Posted On 9/20/2025

Miki Annamanthadoo wrote:
"  It does present well for a heavily edited page.
 "

Thanks, Miki!

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