Posted on 9/11/2007

I'm guessing this is the replacement? How'd he get all wrinkled?

Posted on 9/11/2007

Craig, thats how he arrived sadly.

Posted on 9/11/2007

Nice! Definitely more like the Golden I know. Too bad about the paper condition. Your Golden commission is cursed!

Posted on 9/11/2007

Nice art, but it's sad he couldn't help but take a parting shot at you, Gerry.

Posted on 9/11/2007

Wow, what an absolute DISASTER. Your Insult Piece was a disaster for obvious reasons, and now after all the crap you had to go through he packed the art in such a way that it was just begging to be destroyed? Well, he certainly succeeded. The audacity and utter contempt that this jerk has for you and the artwork knows no bounds....

Posted on 9/11/2007

Very nice work on the costume, with a rather intricate draping effect completely marred however by the warped board that this one was done on.

Posted on 9/11/2007

I'm no artist, but look at the scale of the hand waving towards us, it's so tiny! Anatomically stuffed !!!

Posted on 9/11/2007

Man I feel horrible about this piece. I know that you were really looking forward to getting that classic Golden piece, but this is just horrible. I am nowhere near the professional level, but I would NEVER send out something with such horrible anatomy, or in such a miserable physical condition! Regardless of what someone paid, but especially if it cost this much! God this is bad, and I feel so sad that this is the end result of your stuggle to get a commission... ugh. Sorry...

Posted on 9/11/2007

I suppose now it's utterly pointless to demand some kind of recompense for the $600 you spent on this wrinkled commission piece. I don't know which is worse, the wrinkled paper, or the fact that you were jacked around throughout this whole transaction. At least it's been a huge cautionary tale to all of those in our hobby that plan or were planning a commission from piece from Michael. Caveat emptor indeed!

Posted on 9/12/2007

Look at the size of his head !!!! Very unprofessional no doubt .

Posted on 9/12/2007

Wow. This guy is in for a mother lode of karmic payback one of these days. I can't believe the struggles you've had with him, Gerry. It speaks volumes that MG is the only person who's presented you with any problems like this, though. Especially given the number of pieces you've commissioned from so many different people. You should ebay it and put the whole thing behind you.

Posted on 9/12/2007

This is better than the last one, but the paper is all wrinkled, the head looks distorted and the hand is too small. I hope there`s a third MG commission on it`s way.

Posted on 9/12/2007

I think Michael has won... or he loves the negative publicity.. perhaps making more money with it... only he knows... Gerry, Patience is a virtue...

1 - Posted on 9/12/2007

Man look at that chin! Who was the model, Rondo Hatten??? - Coop

Posted on 9/12/2007

You guys are kidding me, right? So Michael Golden put in all that work in the costume, the folds and lighting and all that intricate detail in the edges of the cape but then supposedly "messed up" other areas on purpose such as shipping and packing? I'm tired of this martyrdom for the owner of the piece. Go look at your own collections. You mean you only have flawless pieces in your own collections?!?! With a few simple clicks, I saw among other things, a Superman with ears almost coming out of his neck and a Wolverine with a most bizarre torso, and that's just in your FEATURED Galleries! There's more artistic merit in this piece than I've seen some so-called artists do in their life and that includes two of the people who've already left negative comments here.

Posted on 9/12/2007

I have to agree with Lambert - yeah the head is too big and the hand too small, but I doubt it was done on purpose.

Posted on 9/12/2007

This is certainly better than the last one. Positives: It is 11x17, it fills the entire page, it has alot of detail, the cape and folds and the pose are everything you want from a Dr. Strange piece, Negatives: some proportions, a face only a mother could love, and either it was packed improperly or the shipping company played rugby with it before it made it to your door. I am the first one to villify someone who acts dishonestly but Gerry has not said or showed anything regarding this piece that tells us Golden did anything but his best on this piece. If that "best" falls short of our expectations that is something entirely different than the criticism being leveled here. Although I don't think you have to be a great artist, or have only perfect pieces in your collection, to be able to have an opinion on the quality of this piece. The only thing that really matters, in the long run, is if Gerry is pleased with the outcome...everything else is of little consequence.

Posted on 9/12/2007

"Perfect Piece" has nothing to do with it. This is nowhere near professional level, and for $600 he should also be cutting the guys lawn for the next 5 years.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Chris, my intention was not to say that they couldn't have an opinion. But they called him "unprofessional" and disparaged his character BASED on their perceived flaws with the piece. I was merely pointing out that they don't seem to apply the same high standard with their own collection or in some cases with their own work.

Posted on 9/12/2007

What a shame that Golden doesn't take enough pride in his work to just do a good job. Using wrinkled paper for an expensive commission is shameful. What a jerk. Love the rest of your gallery, especially the Paul Smith pieces.

Posted on 9/12/2007

I understand that Lambert, I do. Which was why I said what I said. Shortcomings on a piece of art are to be expected, it has happened to all of us and no artist is immune. Opinions on this piece, and opinions of this artist are two distinctly different things. Until we hear something specific regarding the details of the transaction and the shipping means/methods we don't know if what we are looking at is the best the artist can do (from beginning to shipping) or something akin t the first piece. People are seeing this as a continuation of the conduct that occured before which may not be accurate.

Posted on 9/12/2007

"Should be cutting his lawn?" Give me a break. Gerry agreed to the price up front or the deal would never have been done. This is a professional quality piece, on par or better than a lot of the commissions I've seen from Golden lately, and I don't hear Gerry complaining about it.

I love the assumptions made by many above that Golden either used wrinkled paper or intentionally sent the package damaged, too - where's the evidence for that? All Gerry said was that it arrived that way.

There's far too much baggage associated with this piece - it was going to get bashed regardless of how good it was, particularly given how people were demanding to see it on the comicart-l list. The whole thing is ridiculous at this point.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Allow me to sum up the Turnbullgate: For $600 Gerry was allowed to keep the first drawing, Byrne did an impressive comission for free, Gerry sells the first drawing (50% destined to Hero) and gets part of the original money back, and then he receive this drawing which I find it quite decent (I saw more awful comissions for this price from other artists). IMHO, Gerry can be satisfied with the big picture. Even if it is only for the Byrne comission which is by far more worth than $600. Ok, Golden's attitude was really unprofessional. But I feel that Gerry got great artwork for his $600. In fact, I'd buy with no second thoughts his two pieces for that money!

Posted on 9/12/2007

This is a beautiful piece of art.One that I would be proud to have in my collection.Do not let the hyena's negative barking detract it from the quality of this piece Garry. It has all the elements that makes Golden great. As for the complaints about the hand and the size of the head,There is not one artist in the business with impeccable knowledge of anotamy. Comic art is an art form of exaggeration,a fantasy medium .All comic artists work that way.And Golden's work has never been known for it's real world realism. And the condition of the paper, unless Garry explains it in the discription, I'm assuming it was the fault of the postoffice.So why don't you save your negative comments for the Postal dept. And if you Hyenas find Golden's work vile and undeserving of praises,I'm guessing we won't find any of it heading to your collection....GOOD! More Golden art for the rest of us! Frankly, I can learn more from this piece artistically than a thousand John Byrne pieces.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Actually I don't bother about another artist's work other than learning from. Golden is good from what I have seen.... What bothers me is harrasing and embarrasing a client who paid his living... no matter how does he thinkabout commissions... he asked for it and received it. Shouldn't he respect it. If one does not see that he would do the same and be proud of it...

Posted on 9/12/2007

To the best of my knowledge, Gerry did NOT get a free JB commission. He got an upgrade that amountd to a slightly larger commission that he PAID for. As for the original piece done by Golden, it did NOT sell on eBay, so Gerry made no money off that one. I'm sure Gerry would have been very happy with this one had it not come in warped or bent. The art itself has some very nice elements to it, and it is on par with what Mike has been doing lately with his commissions. Hopefully, the piece was insured

Posted on 9/12/2007

??????Atula. What exactly is your beef in this ? Who the fuck voted you the moral majority in this? You're no where directly involved in this situation between Golden and Garry. Yet you've seeked every opportunity to bring this up every chance you get. What did Golden ever do to you? Did he crap in your cereal? violated your dog? All this bullshit is bad enough, I find your insistent nosing around and pot stirring more sickening...give it up and get a fucking life!

Posted on 9/12/2007

That's a really nicde piece Gerry. Sorry to hear about the route taken to get to it but it's still a wonderful image. Als Kudos for Byrne.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Aric, it looks that I missed some points in all this story. Thanks for the update! Please, excuse my misinformation.

Posted on 9/12/2007

....I bet this would look really great with some Rubinstein inks.....have him blueline it so it will be on a nice sheet of paper...and, don't despair about the folds, there are ways to get them out.

Posted on 9/12/2007

You gotta admit, with these two sketches, plus JB's extra work, for 500.00 bucks, is a steal... Not too mention the bloody advertising this collection has gotten as well.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Geez Buzz, could you be any more of a jock sniffer on Golden there?

Posted on 9/12/2007

Hmm...Jock Sniffer..have to add that to my resume'. Why don't you add DICKHEAD to yours.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Russ Buzz is working with Golden to compile a sketchbook of his con sketches and commissions

Posted on 9/12/2007

Yeh, the head is a bit bit and funky, the arm and hand a bit small, but it's still pretty cool...his pencil technique is great - there's not much sketchiness to it...it almost looks printed. The handling of the cape and especially how his left hand is holding it, is beautifully done. What I don't understand is why a Golden pencil commission cost $600 to begin with...at the time this job was taken on, Golden's commision rate was just $100 for a pencil sketch.

Posted on 9/12/2007

I love how you speak to other people Buzz. Get the prescription refiled, go kiss up to Golden some more and leave us piss ant fans to our own devices. You talk to people like you are big shit and on here you sound like just another Internet shit talker.

Posted on 9/12/2007

yeah, the idea that Golden messed this board up on purpose is ridiculous. Artists are notorious for their bad packing. Unfortunate?..Yeah, intentional?..no way. Again, I think it's a good piece. It's easily recognizable as a Golden piece and there's some great work in there. Buzz, you're hilarious, but the written word doesn't do your rants justice.

Posted on 9/12/2007

The Drawing is a Beauty..Fantastic in Style & Craft..but again the "MOB" has returned..with more vile personal attacks and lack of information...which is quite sad, but not surprising. A little kettle steam..a couple pieces of glass..a few pounds of heavy books and the piece will be flat as 'new"...(Comic-paper is made to wrinkle & then flatten out)..BTW..I agree with BUZZ...who the hell is this ATULA guy..?????..and why the hell doesn't he shut up and practice his drawing instead.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Golden is an immmensely talented dude no doubt, but this particular piece looks like Geraldo Rivera in a Doc Strange costume...and given the set of circumstances surrounding this whole situation MG could've and should've done better...or done nothing at all...

Posted on 9/12/2007

Guys, you all KNOW commissions get flapped in the mail from time to time. Even the best ones get rocked up now and then. Do I think it's a good piece? No. I've never been a big fan of Silver Age style art, however. I do think there is a load of work put into it. And as a sender of mail even if you do everything you possibly can think of to secure it. It's all down to the postmen/women and how they handle it. If they treat it like a surfboard, it's gonna end up like that. I'd just like everyone to stop jumping on either Michael or Gerry. Yes it pains me to see art mashed up. But guys, this isn't your money. It's Gerry's. Let him work it out without throwing 2 cents in.

Posted on 9/12/2007

His head is way too big and his hand is way too small,throwing the perspective off,everything else is fine.

Posted on 9/12/2007

Hey guys what's everybody talking about? Is this a comic chat?

Posted on 9/13/2007

I liked the first one better. If virtue was spelled correctly, I'd have no problem with it.

Posted on 9/13/2007

Very nice piece of artwork by a great artist. Framed, any wrinkles should be imperceptible. Thanks to Renee for making Golden available for commissions at all. The Reclusive One made no public appearances at all for pretty much his entire career, so sketches and/or commissions of any kind were non-existent. Nice to see some great pieces being turned out now.

Posted on 9/13/2007

Ken Rodgers win's the "BEST" comment thus far award in my book! "... this particular piece looks like Geraldo Rivera in a Doc Strange costume..." I'm literally laughed out loud!! I knew I recognized him! lol Congrats on this one Gerry, you have to admit, it's been "entertaining!"~;)

Posted on 9/13/2007

“I can learn more from this piece artistically than a thousand John Byrne pieces. buzz zz” Buzz you are embarrassing yourself when you say such retarded comments, Personally i don’t even think Golden is a good artist, but to diss John Byrne, now that is low, John Byrne has some of the most incredible and expensive work in the industry so when making comparisons try something like Rob Lefield and Golden.

Posted on 9/13/2007

In the ring, in the ring, Buzz fights in the ring! This will cement me as the greatest promoter since PT Barnum! I know how we'll settle this! Wrestlemania! Steel Cage! Tag Team belts on the line! Handicapped match between Russ, Raul and Atula on one side and Buzz and Bair managed by Classie Freddy Blassie, Captian Lou Albano, and the other side managed by Booby The Brain Heenan and Mouth of the SOuth Jimmy Hart. Special Guest referee Jessie The Body Ventura.

Posted on 9/13/2007

LOL So I pissed off a Byrne fan eh? Believe me there are a lot of things I do to embarrass myself daily. Dissing Byrne doesn't even make the list. I hope you know,calling Michael Golden a bad artist could be considered retarded as well. Personally John Byrne hasn't done anything influentual since the early 80's...oh by the way,if you want to join in on the fray you should pay the admission fee....like having a gallery of your own.

Posted on 9/13/2007

Other than some of the proportions being off, its a good piece. I'd say the damage is more likely to have happened in shipping than being intentional, and there are ways to fix that. And for buzz and anyone else who may rag on John Byrne, I'd get a thousand commissions from Byrne before I'd get one from Michael Golden; Byrne delivers a lot faster than Golden, doesn't take payment until the art is done, and doesn't insult his customers in his art.

Posted on 9/13/2007

lol I posted a personal preference for Golden's art over Byrne..I never questioned the man's professionalism. You're reading way too much into this.

Posted on 9/13/2007

How did Byrne's name get in this post...??????..now that I find funny..

Posted on 9/13/2007

Gerry, congrats on finally receiving your sketch! I for one think it is a very nice example of Golden's contemporary work. The shadowing is terrific and the cape really flows nicely. I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading above...

Posted on 9/14/2007

Wow, after reading further posts in this thread it appears that people are not only bashing the wrinkled paper, but now they're getting onto the proportions of the figure?! Okay, that I don't get. I feel your pain Gerry (as do we all), but this madness needs to end. M. Golden is a terrific artist not worthy of this disdain. Should he have done that first commission as a snub to a paying customer? I think we can all agree the answer to that question is no. However, this commission more than makes up for that slight. The fact that the paper is wrinkled five ways from Saturday is awful yes, but let's give M. Golden and his abilities a break here finally. He hasn't earned this scorn.

Posted on 7/23/2008

There a decided quality disparity between this and the Dr. Stange Golden pin-up seen in Albert Moy's gallery. I'd say Moy's is at least 10% better. If you paid $600, I wonder if he paid $6000? The bright side is this is a better effort than the Golden commission seen in Frederic Massa's gallery.

Posted on 3/28/2010

Superb! Congrats

Posted on 5/10/2010

Hey. So sorry to hear about this. I found out about this from the Garze thread. Let me tell you, I've met Golden a few times, and I can tell this guy doesn't care. My personal story, a friend of mine was DIEING and my girlfriend went to meet him at a convention, as I was out of the country, and see if he could do a simple Batman sketch and personalize it to my friend. I was willing to pay $150 for it. She told him that there was exactly the same thing on eBay at the time for $60, but that I wanted one done specifically for my friend. He told her to email him as he was busy, but my girlfriend swears all he was doing was eating a sandwich. I emailed him a couple of times and NOTHING! Screw this guy. I'm glad I saw him at a recent show and told me him this story. I also mentioned that he must have too much money, cause he didn't need mine.

Posted on 6/9/2023

This thread really needs a song from Marcus!