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Bulls Eye #4 Pg 25- Ghost Town Ambush Pg 4

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Bulls Eye #4 Pg 25 photo to view piece with less exposure when compared with the scan

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Bulls Eye #4 Pg 25 Top 3 panels with lighting to view pencils
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Location: Published Art Outside Marvel and DC
Title: Bulls Eye #4 Pg 25- Ghost Town Ambush Pg 4*
Artist:  Unknown Artist (All)
Media Type: Pen and Ink
Art Type: Interior Page
For Sale Status: NFS
Views: 348
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Comments: 7
Added to Site: 12/15/2022

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This was a very interesting pick up for me recently and will be the second of four art posts from the story Ghost Town Ambush in Bulls Eye #4 from Mainline Publishing. My descriptions will all be interconnected, so please follow along starting with page #29 and then view this after.

The cause of lengthy research regarding this piece, was the fact that the artists accredited to the piece by the dealer site were Mort Meskin and Charles Nicholas. My guess is that it was the result of looking online at the Grand Comics Database for credits to Ghost Town Ambush. However, upon investigating GCD I noticed that there were question marks after the credits for both artists. Not only that, but there were also empty question marks for the writer, Inks, Colors, and Letterer. Additionally, there is an indexer note under the story that identifies someone by the name of Saltarella for attaching credit to Mort Meskin and Nick Caputo for attaching credit to Charles Nicholas. It also identifies Harry Mendryk for suggesting that this story may have been produced outside the Simon & Kirby studio (S&K) and acquired by them as the comics market was crashing. With this information I then did a brief search online for the comic, which took me over to the Kirby Museum where I found my page online. Of note, under the comment section was the fact that Nick Caputo stated he could not positively ID Charles Nicholas as the artist for the story, which led me to believe that neither of the credits are positive Id’s with questions behind the listings on GCD. Also of note, is that the article entitled “The Mainline Comics Story: An Initial Examination” in Jack Kirby Collector issue #26, did not give credit to any artists for the Story titled Ghost Town Ambush as it specifically stated artist unknown in 1999. Thus, this led me to researching the artists and their art styles on the Kirby Museum site to help me better ID an artist.

I then decided the artists in question for this piece, Mort Meskin and Charles Nicholas, needed to be studied further. I went online to try sifting through their art and personally cannot disprove either claim due to my novice understanding of artist styles. However, I am basing my statements from what I read and leaving it open for further discussion and interpretation. Please feel free to educate me as I am always happy to learn something new. Regarding Mort Meskin I noticed some similarities of his normal techniques, but possibly more differences as well. To understand the rest of this conversation you might need to view the Inking Glossary on the Kirby Museum site, which can be found at the following address: https://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/inking-glossary. There is mention of Mort Meskins precision of picket style fence use, which I can possibly see in some of the art pieces where the fence pickets are fully surrounded by the rails and there is continuity of equal width pickets. Then on the other hand, the picket fence shadowing on the horses far exceeds the rails. Furthermore, I am not seeing picket style fencing used as a technique in almost any of the character bodies, which I am frequently seeing in other Mort Meskin work. I do not see any abstract arches, so I cannot speak to them. I do not see the angled eyebrows spoken about in some of his other art and there is little use of shoulder blotting on these pieces. Yet the fact that there is use of the studio style inking techniques on these pieces to me does not preclude them from coming from within Simon and Kirby Studios. Then when researching the inking styles of Charles Nicholas, I found documentation that made me question that accreditation as well. It was noted in the Kirby Museum that Charles Nicholas did not do studio style inking; however, from my understanding of studio style inking you can find such traits throughout the Ghost Town Ambush story. Additionally, a trait of his inking style was swirling crosshatching lines, but in none of the panels do I see a swirling crosshatch. Thus, with this investigation and what I found, I am more apt to following in the footsteps of Robert Lee Beerbohm and accrediting this piece to artists unknown.

Please follow along with the next post to better understand lettering with this piece and the implications of the unknown letterer. Learn about unique attributes of these pieces that I found on other Bulls Eye art, and what questions still lie ahead.

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Jeffrey Wedding Member Since 2009
2    
Posted On 12/15/2022

The mystery depends! I'm still leaning towards Col. Mustard in the studio with a rapidograph pen, but we shall see...

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

Jeffrey Wedding wrote:
"  The mystery depends! I'm still leaning towards Col. Mustard in the studio with a rapidograph pen, but we shall see...
 "

Well the answer I thought I might have had lead to a military man of sorts.

Ruben DaCollector Member Since 2008
1    
Posted On 12/15/2022

Another fun page, Ian. Having spent literally thousands of hours studying and researching the art of vintage paperback novel covers from the 1950's and 60's, I know all too well how much desire, passion and effort is required to do that work, all in hopes of simply being able to give credit where it is due. But in the process of doing all that work, I also learned other things, such as the fact that not even all the passion and desire in the world will ever be enough to be able to positively credit many of the works of art that have gone uncredited. We do as much as we can and for better or worse, live with the results of our labor. One of the things we have to live with is that we cannot be too quick to assign credit when there isn't enough circumstantial evidence available, simply because we WANT to assign credit.

I commend you for doing this deep dive in trying to find out who may have drawn this story, Ian. If nothing else, I think you'll find the effort fun and rewarding, even if also somewhat frustrating, which is natural.😊

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

Ruben DaCollector wrote:
"  Another fun page, Ian. Having spent literally thousands of hours studying and researching the art of vintage paperback novel covers from the 1950's and 60's, I know all too well how much desire, passion and effort is required to do that work, all in hopes of simply being able to give credit where it is due. But in the process of doing all that work, I also learned other things, such as the fact that not even all the passion and desire in the world will ever be enough to be able to positively credit many of the works of art that have gone uncredited. We do as much as we can and for better or worse, live with the results of our labor. One of the things we have to live with is that we cannot be too quick to assign credit when there isn't enough circumstantial evidence available, simply because we WANT to assign credit.

I commend you for doing this deep dive in trying to find out who may have drawn this story, Ian. If nothing else, I think you'll find the effort fun and rewarding, even if also somewhat frustrating, which is natural.😊
 "

I took these words to heart and did a bit more research and am bowing to your experience in the field. You will see when I finish my last post. I still do not give up hope, but my path might not be a perfectly laid plan. Although deep down I probably knew that with the fact of posting unknown artist. I would never give credit without 100% positivety, or major consensus. I at least feel good about removing questionable guesses and stripping it back down to unknown for my personal collection. Also, there is always room for positivety later with more research when the two Morrows book comes out. That and I now know Joe Simon wrote on these pages, so that in and of itself is a win for me.

Marcus Wai Member Since 2005
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Posted On 12/15/2022

Well, I'm not the kind to Caputo
But we've been seen as horror
I've never been with anything less than the line, so fine
Wertham sets fire to artwork fields, comics to a Town of Ghost
But somehow art just don't end up as mine
It's a wealth-defied life I lead, I take my chances
I'd die in the hearings of the comics seduce me
But the hardest thing I ever do is watch my artwork babies
Credit other guys while I'm rendering Kirby

I might draw up tension building
I might pen a cowboy scar
'Cause I'm the unknown artist
That made Meskin such a star

John C Member Since 2014
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

 Burning dresses? Broken legs? The silver slipper was into some kinky stuff. I hate to think what they did with saddles and stirrups.

Ian Saint Member Since 2021
1    
Posted On 12/17/2022

John C wrote:
"   Burning dresses? Broken legs? The silver slipper was into some kinky stuff. I hate to think what they did with saddles and stirrups.
 "

Hence the comics code to prevent all that good clean bondage lol.

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